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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE MONEY----PART TWO


I am ecstatic! This idea I mentioned a couple of days ago about the Vixens and Vixmen writing a chick flick together is-----amazingly----DO-ABLE.

We now have a special "Screenplay" Category. So any new ideas about characters, plot, twists, bits of dialogue, please post it in Screenplay.

Please see the first post: 18681.
Please also see Sugah and Sabrina's ideas: 18722 and 18710.

We have some STUNNINGLY brilliant ideas rolling in.

So. Here's the deal:

Step One: We decide on the characters.

Step Two: We outline the story.

Step Three: We write the first scene with dialogue.

And so on.

When it is completed (after much
wrangling and fighting) I try and sell it. We split the money.

(Yes, I realize it is impossible----but so what? We will get a TON of press simply for pulling it off, and by GOD, we will have a hit.)

I now turn it over to the Vixens. Let's start on Step One:

WHAT CHARACTERS DO YOU SEE???
I know many of you presented bewitching ideas for characters in the first post, but please mention your ideas again here. Let's keep on the ideas for CHARACTERS in this thread.

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    I like the Sam and Ervin story. It is real life so developing it into a storyline is definitely doable.

    Did you decide whether there would be one story or several? I think knowing what structure you're going with will help in choosing the plot. Do we unravel one storyline to make it as full and lively as possible, or do we develop smaller stories within one story?

    What do you think, dear Miss E. Jean?

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    Lacy wrote: I like the Sam and Ervin story. It is real life so developing it into a storyline is definitely doable. Did you decide whether there would be one story or several? I think knowing what structure you're going with will help in choosing the plot. Do we unravel one storyline to make it as full and lively as possible, or do we develop smaller stories within one story? What do you think, dear Miss E. Jean?

    I agree Sam n Ervin tale rocks!

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    O.K. these are the characters I thought of

    Possible Characters:

    Maggie and Steven: Maggie is a 25 year old with two kids a full time job
    Steven is the father of the children also with a full time job.

    These two aren't married and lately Maggie's not happy with Steven because he's always working and when he is free he's out with his guys...leaving her to be the mommy and the daddy as well as the maid...She does all the cooking cleaning and has no social life outside of her "prison" of a relationship. Steven is very controlling and believes that a woman's place is in the domestic capacity...he doesn't respect her needs at all.

    ---Maggie's falling for a guy outside of her relationship and doesn't know what to do---

    Possible Character

    Brittany and Scott

    Brittany Just moved to the big city from Tennessee. Doesn't know anyone but Maggie (coworkers). She falls for a "player" type in the office (Scott). He's got a live-in-fiance and like 3 or 4 other girls on the side.

    Maybe a good idea to explore both characters state of lonelyness..(is that a word)

    Scott's a player because he can't trust anyone...it causes him to be selfish and string women along.

    Brittany's lonely because of her location...leaving everything behind in Tennessee (why did she leave?)...maybe for a guy that leaves her stranded in the big city. I'm assuming Chicago or New York would be the setting...

    Possible Characters

    Karina and Elizabeth.

    Two very successful corporate women. They've been together for 9 years Everything financially and economically going great. There problem stems from Elizabeth's recent questioning of her sexual preference. She feels she may want kids and may want to try men again...

    We could show Karina's struggle to hold on to Elizabeth and Elizabeth's internal struggle trying to find her identity.

    Trust issues could be explored. Elizabeth cheated on Karina twice throughout the relationship.

    Karina is a good soul. I really want the audience to sympathize for her. She's a strong independent woman. Her only weakness is Elizabeth




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    If it is more than one story, I love Brian's Maggie and Steven characters--they are also very real life.

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    Oh Amy. So perfect. Sounds like me--the depressed and drunk part anyway.

    She's depressed, yet beautiful, with a smile in her eyes.

    I love it!

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    I LUUURVE Amy's character. She can be fun, sexy, quirky. The woman that many of use desire to be but can't. Yet she has plenty of conflict.
    I also think that our main character should not overcome said depression, or whatever problem ails them. That is waaay too predictable and happens in every movie. We don't need to necessarily have a happy politically correct ending. Vixens are far from perfect and our character should be too!

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    Love this!

    And no stupid hollywierd endings where everything is tied up nicely and perfectly at the end, and all her flaws are fixed or some dope comes in and saves her.

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    Blondie wrote: Love this! And no stupid hollywierd endings where everything is tied up nicely and perfectly at the end, and all her flaws are fixed or some dope comes in and saves her.

    I think Amy's character is someone we've all experienced in one way or another.

    And Blondie. I love you to the end of the earth--but shouldn't a movie have something in the end to feel good about?

    The chick flicks I've seen that don't make me feel something, I don't usually want to watch again. We want our movie on everyone's shelf.

    Thoughts?

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    That would be my sister. But for those who don't have sister, then a brother would do.

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    I guess you are right. There was nothing feel good about the ending in Terms of Endearment or that movie where Mandy Moore dies of cancer, yet I could watch them both over and over again.

    Maybe the movies I don't like are the ones where there is an incredible relationship that fails in the end. Those make me feel bad and empty, and I won't watch them again.

    For example: City of Angels. What a fantastic movie--until the end--when she dies. Hated it.

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    Lacy wrote: I guess you are right. There was nothing feel good about the ending in Terms of Endearment or that movie where Mandy Moore dies of cancer, yet I could watch them both over and over again. Maybe the movies I don't like are the ones where there is an incredible relationship that fails in the end. Those make me feel bad and empty, and I won't watch them again. For example: City of Angels. What a fantastic movie--until the end--when she dies. Hated it.

    I agree with Amy.

    I begrudgingly went to see "He's just not that into you" and was SOOOOOOOO annoyed because at the end of the film, the woman who's boyfriend wouldn't marry her after 10 years married her, and the woman who chased the wrong guys, one of the wrong guys decided he loved her. DUMB.

    Also, I hated how Sex in the City ended. Carrie and Big? DUMB and STUPID. Blech.

    Give me a story where I can learn the lesson and feel hopeful for the future... not a fairytale ending.

    One of my favorite movies is Maria Full of Grace. It is an awful, heartwrenching story but in the end I felt like my heart was bursting for joy and hopefullness for the main character's future.

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    I fear anyone reading this will come in and snag these ideas. How do you prevent this? Sorry, I'm paranoid.

    Amy I really like your character ideas.

    I have an idea for a side project and if I could find a way to fund it, I would love love LOVE to do it. I would love to make a documentary about this website and the Vixens in real life. There are so many interesting REAL people on this site. It doesn't have to be cheesy like one of those "Day in the Life of..." but people are obsessed with reality TV and reality programs. This website ties all of these random people together in a way that creates structure. Also this site is just so damn addicting, of course people would be interested in learning or seeing more of the Vixens.

    I studied film in college and I can do basic editing. I think it would be relatively easy and so much fun to make. Also, it appears that there are some other video savvy and camera friendly Vixens (Ahem, Andrew!)

    Just a lil idea.

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    This is really good! Real and raw, I like that, and with enough diversity and conflict for any woman to identify with her.

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    Blondie wrote: I agree with Amy. I begrudgingly went to see "He's just not that into you" and was SOOOOOOOO annoyed because at the end of the film, the woman who's boyfriend wouldn't marry her after 10 years married her, and the woman who chased the wrong guys, one of the wrong guys decided he loved her. DUMB. Also, I hated how Sex in the City ended. Carrie and Big? DUMB and STUPID. Blech. Give me a story where I can learn the lesson and feel hopeful for the future... not a fairytale ending. One of my favorite movies is Maria Full of Grace. It is an awful, heartwrenching story but in the end I felt like my heart was bursting for joy and hopefullness for the main character's future.

    Hi Blondie,

    I haven't seen that movie. I would like too though. Good points. I guess that is why there are so many different types of movies. I absolutely LOVED He's just not that into you. Go figure?

    Lacy

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    Sam wrote: I fear anyone reading this will come in and snag these ideas. How do you prevent this? Sorry, I'm paranoid. Amy I really like your character ideas. I have an idea for a side project and if I could find a way to fund it, I would love love LOVE to do it. I would love to make a documentary about this website and the Vixens in real life. There are so many interesting REAL people on this site. It doesn't have to be cheesy like one of those "Day in the Life of..." but people are obsessed with reality TV and reality programs. This website ties all of these random people together in a way that creates structure. Also this site is just so damn addicting, of course people would be interested in learning or seeing more of the Vixens. I studied film in college and I can do basic editing. I think it would be relatively easy and so much fun to make. Also, it appears that there are some other video savvy and camera friendly Vixens (Ahem, Andrew!) Just a lil idea.

    Love your lil' idea.

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    I love how you choose the characters as you go through her life based on her circumstances. I see talent here.

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    No. I didn't. Going there now.

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    My two cents is that I don't see any ideas that are worth stealing, meaning not that they are not good, but I see nothing really original. That is not a bad thing either, I always remind myself that vampire movies are many but each one it treated so differently they all work.

    I think the formula that works is the classic four female friends, ie... sex in the city, the yaya sisterhood, now and then, and the joy luck club.

    The formula is always the same, four woman who are tight friends with a history together, or grew up together. There's usually one or two who are professional, one who is just happy being a housewife, and an artsy one.

    There is a common problem to which all four have been summoned together after not seeing each other for many years.

    There is usually a smaller problem they must solve that has connection to their childhood or early relationship. They also each must have their own ghosts to rangle also.

    The message is always bittersweet, tragedy they get through together, and at the end in their pain the realization that life goes on and that it's full of joy and pain.

    I think the characters should be in their thirties at least.

    They should not just happen onto problems, they must make some small decision that puts them into situations rather than just pass by something that involves them.

    The story should be full of different emotions, I believe that that is what made many of Speilberg's hits. You have laughter, tears, and sometimes both together. The more emotions the better the story.

    The end I agree should be haunting for the reader. So something bad happens, our ladies get through it in their own ways, but there's always this question hanging over their heads about what if they did this or that differently.

    Those are just some of the thoughts I have initially, take them or leave them as you see fit.

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    The Divine Living/Moving Storage Company is run by q pack of she wolves - Advice Vixens.
    The Owner/Proprietor is Miss E. Jean Bozladdley. She has an exotic accent (like Arianna Huffington but you van undrstand her) t and is smart as a whip and sexy.
    Her CFO is like Alec Baldwin (but thinner).
    Miss E. Jeans father is like Woody Allan (with more hair).
    The moving guys number let's say a dozen
    They are from the navy seals.
    One looks like Hugh Jackman (but younger).

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    Characters :

    Trust fund gal early 20s. Penthouse apt Trump Towers.
    Gorgeous but vacuous. Flits away her time at lunches and nightclubs.
    Has an epiphany from the divine Vixens.
    Her life is changed.

    Psychic - eccentric with burgandy red hair. Think Cher in the 80s. She is a gypsie tramp and thief. She is smart and has a devoted following. Especially Shirley Mc lane. But she gets her guidance from the vixie pixies.
    She is a loser and a phony.




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    Kathleen wrote: My two cents is that I don't see any ideas that are worth stealing, meaning not that they are not good, but I see nothing really original. That is not a bad thing either, I always remind myself that vampire movies are many but each one it treated so differently they all work. I think the formula that works is the classic four female friends, ie... sex in the city, the yaya sisterhood, now and then, and the joy luck club. The formula is always the same, four woman who are tight friends with a history together, or grew up together. There's usually one or two who are professional, one who is just happy being a housewife, and an artsy one. There is a common problem to which all four have been summoned together after not seeing each other for many years. There is usually a smaller problem they must solve that has connection to their childhood or early relationship. They also each must have their own ghosts to rangle also. The message is always bittersweet, tragedy they get through together, and at the end in their pain the realization that life goes on and that it's full of joy and pain. I think the characters should be in their thirties at least. They should not just happen onto problems, they must make some small decision that puts them into situations rather than just pass by something that involves them. The story should be full of different emotions, I believe that that is what made many of Speilberg's hits. You have laughter, tears, and sometimes both together. The more emotions the better the story. The end I agree should be haunting for the reader. So something bad happens, our ladies get through it in their own ways, but there's always this question hanging over their heads about what if they did this or that differently. Those are just some of the thoughts I have initially, take them or leave them as you see fit.

    Those were four great movies, Kathleen! Good points.

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    But only the audience can see the deception? Ha ha Good one Miss Beth.

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    Character:

    Early 20s gal that lives with her parents. Is raped but doesn't want to prosecute. With support of AV-she goes to court. She gains confidence.
    Moves out of her parents house and starts college.


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    Very good ideas Sabrina Lynn.

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    I like Brian's characters, Karina & Elizabeth, but after nine years of corporate success, "rethinking her sexuality" is not real world. It's a pull of the imagination.

    I like Amyís Real & Raw Character.

    So, how about Karina & Elizabeth being faced with an unexpected motherhood? The news comes and Karina is elated. But Elizabth is weary. Then the arrival of her now grown ass, sassy nineteen year old daughter arrives! (Amyís RAW & REAL Character)

    The daughter logged onto AV for advice about her mother, whether she should leave her alone or find her. AV says....

    The daughter searches and finds her biological mother. A mother that she discovers is in love with another woman!

    Elizabethís daughter is the by-product of a horrible marriage, a memory that Elizabeth buried long ago. A past that only a psychic unknowingly unveils to Karina.

    Elizabeth, a past so horrid, that Karina can forgive not being told, if it spared Elizabeth from having to relive the horrors of parents, who married her off to a man twice her age, when she was extremely vulnerable and emotionally undeveloped. A husband who took her sexually when he wanted, and had her as he wanted. And based his right to her body, from the gospels of the bible. The same bible that she now loathes.

    And my favorite... Let there be a nosy neighbor, A quirky, witty character (think Nathan Hale) would help the story line move along. Adding a bit of refreshing insight to the main female characters, as they evolve from yet another of life's quagmires (again taken directly from AV webpages).


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    Lacy wrote: I like the Sam and Ervin story. It is real life so developing it into a storyline is definitely doable. Did you decide whether there would be one story or several? I think knowing what structure you're going with will help in choosing the plot. Do we unravel one storyline to make it as full and lively as possible, or do we develop smaller stories within one story? What do you think, dear Miss E. Jean?

    I love this idea and it came to my mind the minute E. Jean posted the first thread on this.

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    Lacy wrote: Very good ideas Sabrina Lynn.

    Thanks
    The psychic like Mr. BM is packed off to jail for fraud.









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    Keka wrote: This is really good! Real and raw, I like that, and with enough diversity and conflict for any woman to identify with her.

    Love it and let her also make many mistakes like slepping with two men at one time (not at the same time).

    And have a not so nice past.

    Real woman with real troubles, and not perfect at all. Who cannot always afford the best makeup or shoes.

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    Blondie wrote: Love this! And no stupid hollywierd endings where everything is tied up nicely and perfectly at the end, and all her flaws are fixed or some dope comes in and saves her.

    Yes !!!!!!!!!!!

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    How about a character who meets a guy and they fall soooo in love blah blah. Things are great for about two months. Instead of focusing on HER life and what she needs to change and do, she focuses solely on her guy. She tries to change him and is obsessed with his faults instead of her own---she focuses on the external, not the internal, if you will. After a year of trying to change him he gets completely fed up and leaves her even as she is about to have an operation (nothing too serious). She can either continue in her rut as is while her friends move on with their lives or have a revelation of sorts. Instead of complaining about her life she decides to actually change it. (There's people who complain and then there's people who do stuff.) With changing her life she realizes all the mistakes she made in her relationship and also realizes that she doesn't need a man to have a happy, fulfilling life. She and her boyfriend can get back together--or not. No fairy tale endings!! Ew to that!

    EDIT: Can there be a writer character who gets a job writing for a cheesy nighttime soap opera? The stuff she's expected to write should be nothing like what she actually experiences in "the dating world" or whatever you want to call it.

    I really like Carly's Andrew/Ervin idea!! A guy like that should meet a really beautiful (and really, really smart) woman who really falls for him b/c he relates to her like a person and not a fantasy. She is impressed by him b/c he's himself around her and doesn't try to impress her. Ooh, that's so side plot of the best guy friend of the main female character. Or not. Just brainstorming! :)

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    OK I can't really focus at the moment due to a day in the sun and drinks with my lovely ladies, but here are some ideas:

    A girl in her early 20's living in a city and trying to make it in the dating world. NOT trying to find a husband (see most chick flicks for what NOT to do) but enjoying the single life and having fun!

    An older woman (late 30's, early 40's) needing a major change, whether that is a job, husband, whatever.

    An awesome guy in his late 20's/early 30's (a la Andrew or Ervin) who is a sweetheart but up until now, unlucky in love.

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    I"ll come back sober with more!!!

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    A menopausal woman filled with rage. She is told to go away by herself for a period ranging from one day to a year.












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    A psychiatrist who is loonier than her patients.
    She gives the worst advice ever.

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    Two girls on AV. Both live in NYC (or any big city).

    Girl A starts posting about her man of 5 years. Completely in love with him. Can't figure out why he won't propose, but doesn't want to scare him out of commitment. Posts constantly about how in love with him she is but how their relationship has been getting weirder.

    Girl B starts posting about how she loves her single life. Goes out every other night, posts about her one night stands and all her dates. Starts seeing this one guy, not really dating but getting together for hook ups. Not really into it for relationship, but he's great in bed. Guy starts falling for her, shes unsure how to handle it.

    Through the midst of all this, Girl A and B realize its the same guy.
    Let the vixen revenge commence.

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    It needs a Maniac, as he in Dario Fo's Accidental Death of an Anarchist. Someone who is able to deceive, trick, satire and impersonate with great humor.

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    Sabrina wrote: A psychiatrist who is loonier than her patients. She gives the worst advice ever.

    She logs onto AV when her patients are on her couch!



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    Ultimately, no matter who the main characters are, we need a quirky, witty character (think Nathan Hale) who not only will help move the story line along, but he'll diffuse others angst and offer up the lighter side. He's rather Polly-Annie-ish and he loves it!

    Think, nosy neighbor who's likeable in an off-beat annoying way.

    Personally, I think the AV movie needs his character. Besides, I'm his agent. Not really, but really though....

    P.S. As an aside, are we almost agreed on characters? Are we voting on the final characters, as in American Idol voting? Can we call it AV Idol?

    Can you tell that I'm getting antsy & giddy? Don't worry, it's high energy and it's contagious! :)

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    DaNiced wrote: Ultimately, no matter who the main characters are, we need a quirky, witty character (think Nathan Hale) who not only will help move the story line along, but he'll diffuse others angst and offer up the lighter side. He's rather Polly-Annie-ish and he loves it! Think, nosy neighbor who's likeable in an off-beat annoying way. Personally, I think the AV movie needs his character. Besides, I'm his agent. Not really, but really though.... P.S. As an aside, are we almost agreed on characters? Are we voting on the final characters, as in American Idol voting? Can we call it AV Idol? Can you tell that I'm getting antsy & giddy? Don't worry, it's high energy and it's contagious! :)

    I'm not sure that we know yet how many storylines we are going with. I def think there should be more than one.

    Maybe what we could do is start with one idea already somewhat layed out above, develop it as much as possible, adding characters and circumstances. When we've taken it from point A to point Z, we can then develop another character. Once we have decided on the characters and plots, we can add dialogue.

    So, since Amy's book collector is my favorite I will start there.

    Amy said her parents died in a car crash. I think maybe her mom died when she was young, but the dad raised her and recently died leaving her an inheritance which is why she doesn't have a job. (or we can give her a part time job just for substance, but it's a simple job like in a library because she loves books. Maybe the love of books came from her deceased mother)

    Her character isn't so much depressed as sad and solemn at the loss of her father. (I love the smile in her eyes.) I love the antique store idea where she gets her books, and the boy who works there, secretly longing for her.

    If we are including AV in our movie, I think she should start out as a lurker, occasionally giving her own bits and pieces of advice to others which excites her, but, she is anon.

    I am reminded of the movie, "While you were sleeping"--remember, her goal was to get a Paris stamp in her passport. So our Miss solemn needs a goal?

    She also needs a name. And since she is plain, yet gorgeous, I'm thinking of a soft old fashioned name like Olivia, or Sophia.

    That's all I got. What do you think?

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    For what it's worth Vixens, I have a scriptwriting degree from University of Miami. I'd be happy to help if I can.

    The first thing my teachers taught us is "Don't write a movie. Create a character and then put them into situations." If Carrie from SATC met Indiana Jones, you know how they would react because the characters are very fleshed out. If you just try to write siutuations and have your characters act out the dialogue, it can seem fake.

    Our teacher gave us an assignment to come in with the most detailed character we could. We read them out loud and he would ask us questions and we realized how detailed a REAL character is. Yes Indiana Jones is an archeologist and a professor etc, but he's also scared of snakes, he has daddy issues, he can be reckless, but he's cautious when he needs to be. These are the things that make you remember characters. I'm going to start another thread to work on this.

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    Grafelious wrote: For what it's worth Vixens, I have a scriptwriting degree from University of Miami. I'd be happy to help if I can. The first thing my teachers taught us is "Don't write a movie. Create a character and then put them into situations." If Carrie from SATC met Indiana Jones, you know how they would react because the characters are very fleshed out. If you just try to write siutuations and have your characters act out the dialogue, it can seem fake. Our teacher gave us an assignment to come in with the most detailed character we could. We read them out loud and he would ask us questions and we realized how detailed a REAL character is. Yes Indiana Jones is an archeologist and a professor etc, but he's also scared of snakes, he has daddy issues, he can be reckless, but he's cautious when he needs to be. These are the things that make you remember characters. I'm going to start another thread to work on this.

    Great advice. So we should develop Olivia's character. So far she is, solemn, beautiful, she has a smile in her eyes--because even though she is sad she has an inner peace. She understands that there is something bigger, and she holds on to the hope of some day obtaining that. (whatever it is).

    We already have her in some circumstances. Is that okay? She loves the old books. She's quiet yet alluring. She seems shy, but not really--just not interested, yet.

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    So the goal is in the old letter. Yes. I like that.

    The picture, Marianne Faithful (I don't know her) is perfect.

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    Lacy wrote: Great advice. So we should develop Olivia's character. So far she is, solemn, beautiful, she has a smile in her eyes--because even though she is sad she has an inner peace. She understands that there is something bigger, and she holds on to the hope of some day obtaining that. (whatever it is). We already have her in some circumstances. Is that okay? She loves the old books. She's quiet yet alluring. She seems shy, but not really--just not interested, yet.

    Lacy, I agree that there should be multiple storylines, it's the way women get things done, we multi-task. I think that's what needs to be done here, now.

    And Grafelious is right that the characters should be fleshed out. But not necessarily one at a time. I think if it continues as is, some of the vixen creativity will be stifled, or not heard at all. Or the spontaneity of writing, might get lost before it gets going.

    I think what I'm trying to say is that while Olivia sounds like a nice, quiet, demure and lovely person. I'm not into her. (Sure, Iím just one person, but you have to believe if one person feels like that, then there are others. )

    So, hereís what I think... I need fire. I need conflict, I need the "I'm not going to take this shit anymore!" character. Letís start chatting simultaneously about developing characters?
    In other words, just like in a classroom, characters will be in development all at once.

    So, Brian's Karina can be devloped with a separate storyline and Sabrina Lynn RN's psychic drunk ( I just added that) can be ranting.

    I want to see how you guys flesh out Olivia, but I want to flesh out SLRN's psychic drunk.

    Is that do-able?

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    DaNiced wrote: Lacy, I agree that there should be multiple storylines, it's the way women get things done, we multi-task. I think that's what needs to be done here, now. And Grafelious is right that the characters should be fleshed out. But not necessarily one at a time. I think if it continues as is, some of the vixen creativity will be stifled, or not heard at all. Or the spontaneity of writing, might get lost before it gets going. I think what I'm trying to say is that while Olivia sounds like a nice, quiet, demure and lovely person. I'm not into her. (Sure, Iím just one person, but you have to believe if one person feels like that, then there are others. ) So, hereís what I think... I need fire. I need conflict, I need the "I'm not going to take this shit anymore!" character. Letís start chatting simultaneously about developing characters? In other words, just like in a classroom, characters will be in development all at once. So, Brian's Karina can be devloped with a separate storyline and Sabrina Lynn RN's psychic drunk ( I just added that) can be ranting. I want to see how you guys flesh out Olivia, but I want to flesh out SLRN's psychic drunk. Is that do-able?

    Yes. Great idea. We agree on a certain number of characters and then flesh them out.

    Grafelious started another thread where he fleshed out Olivia even more, and gave her a friend Suzy--a little more defiant.

    If you start with the psychic character--if that is the one you choose, we could jump in with ideas to see if they fit into the bigger picture.

    And then Miss beth can start to flesh out hers--and anyone else who would like to start one. I know Brian has a few that were good.

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    And additional storylines? Please?

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    I guess I was posting at the same time you were Miss Beth, cuz i totally didn't see this.

    Yes. I agree.


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    Samantha wrote: I want to be IN the movie.

    Definitely.

    Your real life job can add so much to the movie, unexpected, quirky, spicy with a little bit of sleaze carefully controlled for whatever effect depending on exactly what incidents are included.

    BUT-please don't let it become cute, let it be what it is and add what it can.

    Also- Sam and Ervin as the template for the long distance relationship.

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    Lacy wrote: I like the Sam and Ervin story. It is real life so developing it into a storyline is definitely doable. Did you decide whether there would be one story or several? I think knowing what structure you're going with will help in choosing the plot. Do we unravel one storyline to make it as full and lively as possible, or do we develop smaller stories within one story? What do you think, dear Miss E. Jean?

    Lacy,

    I've read the entire string to date (not an easy task for one evening, mind you) - for those of us new to the site, what is the Sam & Ervin story?

    Sam (iam)

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    DaNiced wrote: Lacy, I agree that there should be multiple storylines, it's the way women get things done, we multi-task. I think that's what needs to be done here, now. And Grafelious is right that the characters should be fleshed out. But not necessarily one at a time. I think if it continues as is, some of the vixen creativity will be stifled, or not heard at all. Or the spontaneity of writing, might get lost before it gets going. I think what I'm trying to say is that while Olivia sounds like a nice, quiet, demure and lovely person. I'm not into her. (Sure, Iím just one person, but you have to believe if one person feels like that, then there are others. ) So, hereís what I think... I need fire. I need conflict, I need the "I'm not going to take this shit anymore!" character. Letís start chatting simultaneously about developing characters? In other words, just like in a classroom, characters will be in development all at once. So, Brian's Karina can be devloped with a separate storyline and Sabrina Lynn RN's psychic drunk ( I just added that) can be ranting. I want to see how you guys flesh out Olivia, but I want to flesh out SLRN's psychic drunk. Is that do-able?

    I kind of agree with DaNiced - I think that Olivia is a good option for one of the storylines (assuming the concensus is still to use multiple plots). If she becomes the main character for the movie, then the film becomes much more subdued.

    I have a thought for the origin of all the stories. Others have mentioned having an internet cafe as part of the plot - what if that is the central launching point for each of the stories? Each of the vignettes can start out in a crowded coffee house. The camera pans from table to table, until you find 2 women talking about some specific events - the discussion than actually morphs into live action of the event itself. As the story winds down, we are brought back into the cyber coffee house. We do this several more times, until the completion of the movie. At the very end, the camera does a fly-out through the restaurant, and exits the front door. In looking bakc at the building, it's only then that you see the name of the place as "VIC'S" (which stands for Vixen's internet cafe)

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    Sam-I-am wrote: I kind of agree with DaNiced - I think that Olivia is a good option for one of the storylines (assuming the concensus is still to use multiple plots). If she becomes the main character for the movie, then the film becomes much more subdued. I have a thought for the origin of all the stories. Others have mentioned having an internet cafe as part of the plot - what if that is the central launching point for each of the stories? Each of the vignettes can start out in a crowded coffee house. The camera pans from table to table, until you find 2 women talking about some specific events - the discussion than actually morphs into live action of the event itself. As the story winds down, we are brought back into the cyber coffee house. We do this several more times, until the completion of the movie. At the very end, the camera does a fly-out through the restaurant, and exits the front door. In looking bakc at the building, it's only then that you see the name of the place as "VIC'S" (which stands for Vixen's internet cafe)

    I like the morph idea, Sam i am.

    The opposite of all roads leading to Rome, is that all roads lead out of VIC's .


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    George and Mary 'professional vagabonds'
    frequent the cafe
    they live out of a 250 sq. foot RV
    and have the problem
    of being 'severely wealthy'
    they are one of the group of seven
    an art group out of newfoundland
    Mary loves fresh flowers
    and glues a vase to the RV
    dining table with QuakeProof glue
    formerly called MuseumProof
    (with few sales)
    They donate money behind
    the scenes to Vixen's in need



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    If its not one succinct story then it should be like Sin City where all the people are tied in together somehow - like the bar.

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    This is a bunch of bull.... there, I said it... a nice person saying something that she really wanted to say... perhaps for the first time in her life. Take it, shake it, or fake it...

    Life is life ~ get on.

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    Naysayers
    never
    rise above
    Miss Beth!

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